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Title: Bahrain - dipstick of the day


Norbert - April 6, 2008 03:59 PM (GMT)
Personally, I don't think this really needs more than one choice, however I shall explain my (il)logic behind the choices:

Lewis. What can I say? The start was very nearly a stall, and that put him well down the field, could have seen him involved in a first corner pile-up if one had happened, and then he collided with his best mate Ferdy. From then on, the car appeared to handle like a shopping trolley, which ended any chance of scoring any points. Several off-track excursion followed, most likley as a result.

Fernando. The incident with Lewis will remain controversial unless someone comes out with some telemetry. It's a little suspicious that we didn't see anything from his onboard camera. However, to be diplomatic, while there was definitely some large difference in acceleration, it is possible that the Renault had a bit of a slide in the rather tight corners and he had simply lost momentum. Or, he decided to try the highly risky move of knocking Lewis' wing off..... hmm..

Jenson. Was it his fault or DC's? He did come from a long way out, and suggested that DC shouldn't have been trying to block him in the braking zone. Sounds like a bit of a smokescreen for "I tried to dove up the inside but lost the car" to me, but DC did move very late and squeezed very hard.

David. Did he move too late, or did he just hope Button would vanish if he shut the door, just like Massa didn't. Still, at least the car didn't disintegrate like it was made of polystyrene this time.....

Nelson. Spent almost as much time off the track as on it. Quite likely this was a result of his gearbox issues that started before he'd even made it to the grid. Probably not to blame.

Kazuki. Blue flag - this means let the car behind overtake, not spend half the lap making them wonder if you'll ever get out the bloody way! I wonder if he'll be losing quali places in Spain?

Red Andy - April 6, 2008 04:01 PM (GMT)
You probably should have made it a single-option poll...:P

Norbert - April 6, 2008 04:06 PM (GMT)
I forgot James Allen, who in his usual 'teammate mistake' mode got BOTH drivers in a battle wrong, a lap or two before 'the incident' his mistook DC and JB for MW and RB....

<dunce> <roflmao>

dazzerjp - April 6, 2008 04:24 PM (GMT)
sadly, i voted lewis.

the start was horrendous. the thing with alsono was almost as bad. lewis should have just kept his cool for a few laps. Even if Alonso did brake test, Lewis should have expected something was likely to happen.

i think lewis is great - no surprise - but he does have a few faults and so far, impatience seems to be his greatest.

John - April 6, 2008 05:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Norbert @ Apr 6 2008, 04:59 PM)
Fernando.  The incident with Lewis will remain controversial unless someone comes out with some telemetry.  It's a little suspicious that we didn't see anything from his onboard camera. 


QUOTE (dazzerjp @ Apr 6 2008, 05:24 PM)
Even if Alonso did brake test, Lewis should have expected something was likely to happen.


Autosport.com has seen the telemetry data of Alonso's exit from the first corner, and it shows that the Spaniard was flat on the throttle from the exit, did not touch the brake and gained speed in a totally predictable manner.

Symonds, who is Renault's executive director of engineering, said that Alonso had done nothing to contribute to the accident.

"Fernando was coming out of the turn and accelerating down the straight," explained Symonds. "He reached fifth gear, at 227km/h, on full throttle, no touching of the brakes or anything like that. And you can see on the accelerometer the impact. He got hit from behind.

Norbert - April 6, 2008 05:31 PM (GMT)
I'll repeat myself from another thread (and I'm also in the Lewis simply got a better exit and misjudged it camp) - Autosport claim they have seen this data, and may well have. However, if they won't show it, why should we believe they have it?

safc_fan89 - April 6, 2008 05:31 PM (GMT)
I very much doubt that Renault and autosport are lying, so the sniping should stop.

I thought it was pretty clear at the time that Alonso did nothing wrong. Hamilton got a better run out of the corner, was in Alonso's slipstream and has a faster car. So logic says he is going to be going faster than Alonso. Yet his driving didn't reflect that. Alonso was never going to just get out of the way, the whole point of overtaking is to drive round the car in front, not over/through them. It was a botched move, every driver makes them. Yes, even Lewis.

It's a sad state of affairs that everyone seems so quick to jump on Alonso's back, but I guess it's to be expected, what with the media brainwash.

safc_fan89 - April 6, 2008 05:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Norbert @ Apr 6 2008, 05:31 PM)
I'll repeat myself from another thread (and I'm also in the Lewis simply got a better exit and misjudged it camp) - Autosport claim they have seen this data, and may well have. However, if they won't show it, why should we believe they have it?

So you think they are lying?

John - April 6, 2008 06:17 PM (GMT)
Renault have better things to do than appease hamilton's fans on british F1 forums... It stands to reason that if Autosport.com where shown the data, then they must have made it available to all the media...

Of course some sections of the media may be less enthusiastic about reporting an 'Alsono was innocent' story... than they would if the data have said he did brake test...

just because, for whatever reason, they chose not to report it does not mean Renault did not release it...

Norbert - April 6, 2008 07:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Apr 6 2008, 06:32 PM)
QUOTE (Norbert @ Apr 6 2008, 05:31 PM)
I'll repeat myself from another thread (and I'm also in the Lewis simply got a better exit and misjudged it camp) - Autosport claim they have seen this data, and may well have.  However, if they won't show it, why should we believe they have it?

So you think they are lying?

I don't think they're lying, and I'm reasonably certain that if we were actually able to see the telemetry (which they wouldn't be able to prove wasn't faked anyway!) it might give some credibility to their story. If they won't show it, then they should merely have said that Renault confirmed their telemetry indicated nothing sinister in Alonso's exit from the corner.

I will repeat: I'm very much of the opinion that Hamilton merely got a better exit from the corner than Alonso and was caught out. However, it would be nice to be able to see the data due to the history between the two drivers, and previous incidents where Alonso *has* been accused of brake-testing.

GV Legend - April 6, 2008 10:46 PM (GMT)
It says autosport has seen the telemetry quite clearly in the article, so they havent published images of it, but why would autosport say they have seen it when they havent. its got nothing to do with renault just confirming that their telemetry shows this, renault have actualy shown the telemetry to autosport and autosport have reported what they saw!

Rob - April 7, 2008 03:49 AM (GMT)
I added to Lewis' landslide victory here.

everythingoes - April 7, 2008 06:22 AM (GMT)
Its got to be Lewis. Poor start, all his own doing. The Alonso crash, again his doing. He did not reckon with Alonso being so slow to gain speed out of the corner, but as the car behind, its upto him to allow for that possibility.
More than that, <wtf> was with all the hand waving he did upon passing Fisi and someone else. Maybe he forgot that they were not back-markers and fighting for position, so were not obliged to move over? That was just poor, imo. <nono>

ELUSIVEJIM - April 8, 2008 09:47 AM (GMT)
Sorry but how could Alonso get any votes????

It just makes me wonder who are real F1 fans on this board.

Button made a awful mistake and has received 1 vote and Alonso made none and has two votes.

Its pretty pathic how people will just pick Alonso because they do not like him <no>


AndyW76 - April 8, 2008 10:38 AM (GMT)
Well, it's between DC, JB and Lewis. Can I have 3 votes and an extra mirror for DC?

In Lewis's defence, he has admitted his mistakes instead of blaming everyone else.

timmadigan - April 8, 2008 02:59 PM (GMT)
For 2 errors, it has to go to Lewis. He also had the most to lose from his two mistakes.

DC's & JB's move were probably the dumbest moves (JB with the out-of-control run off line and DC's attempt to cut off an out-of-control car) but they didn't lose much outside of car damage - there were no hopes for any points for them before this incident.

flood1 - April 9, 2008 04:15 AM (GMT)
An excellent and rational discussion, bravo. I have not voted, but it is interesting that there are probably more choices for shithead of the race than hero of the race.

Ham is driving exactly as I expected him to last year. But he is doing it this year instead. He is starting this season as he ended last season. I think he is better than that, but he must learn to win from behind. Schu, Kimi, and others mastered scoring at least 3rd or 4th place from the back.

But, I'm okay that he screwed up. He needs a few more laps before I think he deserves to win a championship. An old guy talkin' trash? Maybe, but I like them to earn it the hard way.




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