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The STIG - August 2, 2007 09:42 AM (GMT)
(that is outside of the UK)

And the answer is - Yes. Broadly speaking.

However, it appears that the Monaconians put so many restrictions on their marshals it problably isn't worth it (you have to be a certain age, and be able to speak french). Other events may have similar restrictions.

Could I ask our colleagues who have done this to add to this topic please?

(Incidentally, Marshaling in Ireland does not count as abroad)

John - August 2, 2007 09:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The STIG @ Aug 2 2007, 10:42 AM)
restrictions... be able to speak french...

Are you saying that you would expect non British marshals who wished to marshal in the UK would not need to be able to speak English.... <think>

The Age thing is an unexpected restriction.... but surely being able to speak the language of the country you are hoping to marshal in is just common sense... IMO

Mrs Shrek - August 2, 2007 10:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (John @ Aug 2 2007, 11:54 AM)
The Age thing is an unexpected restriction....

probably insurance related....if a minor got injured they might have problems?

The STIG - August 2, 2007 10:04 AM (GMT)
allow me to rephrase that.

The Automobile Club du Monaco insist that all marshals working at their events can speak fluent French (IIRC).

Most other events do not specify the ability to speak any particular language for marshals (barring observers who will have to speak to race control in the control's native tounge) although obviously it helps. Since I know marshals who have been as far afield as Dubai and can't speak arabic, I shouldn't think language is really much of a problem most of the time.

There are also no such restrictions on language on UK events - so a marshal with a thin grasp of english and a full grasp of, say, German, would still be very welcome to come and work with us.

The STIG - August 2, 2007 10:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mrs Shrek @ Aug 2 2007, 10:03 AM)
QUOTE (John @ Aug 2 2007, 11:54 AM)
The Age thing is an unexpected restriction....

probably insurance related....if a minor got injured they might have problems?

Actually it is to do with fitness - Everywhere has a minimum age for insurance, but Monaco has a maximum age for fitness. I think it's something like 35 for the maximum.

Again, by and large there is NO upper age limit for marshals.

Startline Ed - August 2, 2007 10:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (John @ Aug 2 2007, 09:54 AM)
QUOTE (The STIG @ Aug 2 2007, 10:42 AM)
restrictions... be able to speak french...

Are you saying that you would expect non British marshals who wished to marshal in the UK would not need to be able to speak English.... <think>

The Age thing is an unexpected restriction.... but surely being able to speak the language of the country you are hoping to marshal in is just common sense... IMO

Not really, the language of motorsport is English.

So for international events such as the Monaco GP, I would assume that Race Control would speak English but perhaps transmit in French to marshals trackside.

Steve will probably be able to tell us what language LM radio traffic is in.

Norbert - August 2, 2007 10:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The STIG @ Aug 2 2007, 10:42 AM)
However, it appears that the Monaconians

Erm, are they Monogasque?

The STIG - August 2, 2007 10:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Norbert @ Aug 2 2007, 10:13 AM)
QUOTE (The STIG @ Aug 2 2007, 10:42 AM)
However, it appears that the Monaconians

Erm, are they Monogasque?

Quite possibly. A native of Monaco is what I'm getting at here.

The STIG - August 2, 2007 10:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Startline Ed @ Aug 2 2007, 10:06 AM)
Not really, the language of motorsport is English.

Prehaps it would be better to say - the language of international motorsport...

John - August 2, 2007 10:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The STIG @ Aug 2 2007, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE (Norbert @ Aug 2 2007, 10:13 AM)
QUOTE (The STIG @ Aug 2 2007, 10:42 AM)
However, it appears that the Monaconians

Erm, are they Monogasque?

Quite possibly. A native of Monaco is what I'm getting at here.

Natives of Monaco are Septagenarians.... <whistle>

The STIG - August 2, 2007 11:20 AM (GMT)
Apart from the marshaling contingent, who are all under 35. apparently.

Legless! - August 2, 2007 11:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Startline Ed @ Aug 2 2007, 10:06 AM)
Steve will probably be able to tell us what language LM radio traffic is in.


Race Control at Le Mans is definitely done in French!!!! Therefore all the radio officers on our marshalling teams are French or those who speak French fluently.

Counts me out, so I listen in English (Sunderland-ese????) to Radio Le Mans!!!!

Shadowman - August 2, 2007 11:38 AM (GMT)
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Nomad - August 2, 2007 03:03 PM (GMT)
I can't speak for other countries but here in the USA; foreign marshalls, particularly British Marshalls, have always seemed to be welcomed with open arms at SCCA events. I have worked with them at many venues around our country over the years. The attitude here is that we can always learn something from others.

Language is not usually a problem except in the deep south where we take the time to think what we are saying before we say it. Of course, I have a friend in town who talks so slowly that it is afternoon before he finished saying "Good Morning.,"

wickedwitch - August 2, 2007 08:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The STIG @ Aug 2 2007, 10:42 AM)
(that is outside of the UK)

And the answer is - Yes. Broadly speaking.

However, it appears that the Monaconians put so many restrictions on their marshals it problably isn't worth it (you have to be a certain age, and be able to speak french). Other events may have similar restrictions.

Could I ask our colleagues who have done this to add to this topic please?

(Incidentally, Marshaling in Ireland does not count as abroad)

I've never marshalled abroad BUT I do know that there are certain procedures one should always follow.

I THINK that you have to get permission from the MSA before you volunteer for an overseas event but I'm sure that Legless can clarify this point.

Legless! - August 2, 2007 11:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wickedwitch @ Aug 2 2007, 08:44 PM)
I've never marshalled abroad BUT I do know that there are certain procedures one should always follow.

I THINK that you have to get permission from the MSA before you volunteer for an overseas event but I'm sure that Legless can clarify this point.

Okay, here goes ...........

Technically, there is nothing to stop you just contacting a circuit abroad and saying you want to work there - the danger is that in the past some of our less circumspect colleagues have gone away and then passed themselves off as officials far above their actual grade, and this has led to the MSA's name being put into disrepute. The MSA do have a "black book" of naughty boy's names from these silly billy's.

The preferred method is that you contact the MSA for a marshalling abroad form which you complete and return to them. In return, you receive a letter of authority stating that as far as the MSA are concerned, you are a registered marshal with them. This letter is valid for the whole of the year of its issue, so it's a good idea to make copies of it if you intend to visit more than one country in a calendar year.

But after saying that, once you have completed a successful visit to a circuit and proved yourself to them, they will usually be happy to receive you again without the MSA letter. Just keep your nose clean, and then it's good for everyone.

By the way, it is up to you to negotiate your invitation to attend and work at a circuit. The sole exception to this is the Le Mans 24 Hours, where the MSA can authorise you on behalf of the ACO.

The other thing to concern yourself with is insurance cover. The MSA's policy DOES NOT cover you for marshalling abroad, so you might be forced to sign up and pay the club abroad to use theirs. The only exception I know to that is the insurance offered to members of the BMMC, which covers you for marshalling duties abroad (but doesn't cover you for any "holiday periods" of the same trip!!!!).

Right, I think that covers the main points, but I'm always happy to answer any further questions.

wickedwitch - August 30, 2007 08:11 PM (GMT)
I have just received the following e-mail from Derek Machin:

QUOTE
Whilst I appreciate slightly late in the year for many, however the MSA have just made life a bit easier for those wishing to Marshal outside the UK by providing an online version of their "Request to Marshal Overseas" form rather than marshals having to contact the MSA at Colnbrook, request this form, and then post back on completion for the necessary covering letters.

Additionally, it's worth noting that they've extended the 'traditional'
restriction about it being for RACE marshals only to cover all MSA Registered Marshals, which at this time includes RACE and RALLY but in the future will include KART and SPEED marshals. (As per the existing paper based form, which will remain available for those without internet access, there is a separate 'tick box' for the Le Mans 24hr)

At this time the online form is available via the Volunteers In Motorsport website, however I'm lead to believe that the MSA will will be providing a link to the same online form from the MSA site (www.msauk.org/), probably in the MSA FORMS section.

To save you going hunting the direct URL for the online application form can be found at http://volunteersinmotorsport.co.uk/tinc?k...rmname=overseas

Maybe something to bring to the attention of our members at an appropriate opportunity.

Given the extension to cover RALLY, I'll issue a separate email to those BRMC members I have email addresses for as I know several are considering non-UK WRC and other events, particularly in Southern Ireland / Eire.

Regards,

Derek Machin





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