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Title: BTCC title race
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safc_fan89 - June 11, 2006 08:01 PM (GMT)
It seems like Matt Neal is romping to a second successive title, and although there is still a long way to go this season, there does not seem to be another driver capable of sustaining a challenge, or putting together a succession of good results.

Jason Plato has the car, but there's always something going wrong, whether that is him being hit into or him hitting into someone else :)

Colin Turkington is second, but that is through consistency rather than race wins, with only one this season.

Even so, the last round at Thruxton was quite enjoyable.

What are your views on the title race?

stradlin22 - June 11, 2006 08:18 PM (GMT)
For me the story of the season has been how bad the vauxhalls have been

they are off the pace and dont seem to be able to properly compete for the title

how the mighty have fallen

NewMrMe - June 11, 2006 08:59 PM (GMT)
Giovanardi has been a big disappointment. The car has been suprisingly poor but he has failed to get the measure of his teammates. With his record he should be doing a lot better. I would have thought a multiple European Touring Car Champion would have been able to point them in the right direction, obviously not.

stradlin22 - June 11, 2006 09:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (NewMrMe @ Jun 11 2006, 09:59 PM)
Giovanardi has been a big disappointment. The car has been suprisingly poor but he has failed to get the measure of his teammates. With his record he should be doing a lot better. I would have thought a multiple European Touring Car Champion would have been able to point them in the right direction, obviously not.

thats whats surprised me

I thought he would take a bit of time to adjust but I really thought he would be on the pace a bit more

shame really because I was hoping he would give the championship a boost

safc_fan89 - June 12, 2006 07:52 AM (GMT)
The championship is missing Yvan Muller. It's just not the same without his and Jason Plato's rivalry.

Giovanardi for me has been a huge disappointment. He's had 12 races now, surely that is long enough.

u4coffee - June 12, 2006 08:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jun 12 2006, 08:52 AM)
The championship is missing Yvan Muller. It's just not the same without his and Jason Plato's rivalry.

Giovanardi for me has been a huge disappointment. He's had 12 races now, surely that is long enough.

Giovanardi has been well below you'd expect from him. Matt does seem to have it in the bag. Plato as has been said. Hasn't managed to make the most of the Seat.

safc_fan89 - July 23, 2006 11:55 AM (GMT)
Well, after the Croft rounds, it still looks like it is Matt Neal's title to lose. The MGs do not have the pace to win, and Jason Plato does not have the consistency.

u4coffee - July 23, 2006 12:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 23 2006, 12:55 PM)
Well, after the Croft rounds, it still looks like it is Matt Neal's title to lose. The MGs do not have the pace to win, and Jason Plato does not have the consistency.

Yup. Can't see him losing unless he throws it away somehow

safc_fan89 - July 23, 2006 12:11 PM (GMT)
The last Croft race though I think was quite significant because Fabrizio Giovanardi finally produced the kind of performance that is expected of him. Moving from 20th to 5th in the race was very impressive, it will be interesting to see if he can continue that sort of performance into the next race weekend.

u4coffee - July 23, 2006 12:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 23 2006, 01:11 PM)
The last Croft race though I think was quite significant because Fabrizio Giovanardi finally produced the kind of performance that is expected of him. Moving from 20th to 5th in the race was very impressive, it will be interesting to see if he can continue that sort of performance into the next race weekend.

if it does, he could become a factor messingthings up for Matt and Plato

safc_fan89 - July 25, 2006 09:31 AM (GMT)
I certainly hope that is the case. He's a good driver so really it would be best to see him fighting at the front, rather than against the lesser private drivers.

stradlin22 - July 25, 2006 11:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 25 2006, 10:31 AM)
I certainly hope that is the case. He's a good driver so really it would be best to see him fighting at the front, rather than against the lesser private drivers.

i suppose he could use the excuse that he doesnt know any of the circuits

Morpun94 - July 25, 2006 12:30 PM (GMT)
was always going to take a whilke for him to settle, but its not like Vaxaull have given him a decent car though is it....

safc_fan89 - July 25, 2006 07:38 PM (GMT)
If he has won multiple touring car championships in the past, he must have had to learn some new circuits over that time. So I don't buy that excuse. I'm not sure if he will stick around for longer than this season in any case...but perhaps he is enjoying the challenge.

stradlin22 - July 25, 2006 07:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 25 2006, 08:38 PM)
If he has won multiple touring car championships in the past, he must have had to learn some new circuits over that time. So I don't buy that excuse. I'm not sure if he will stick around for longer than this season in any case...but perhaps he is enjoying the challenge.

i think he might leave

that blonde lady that runs the Alfa Romero WTCC team might give him the call and i'm sure he would go back


Beaker - July 25, 2006 10:42 PM (GMT)
I really miss the Thommo and Muller battles...

safc_fan89 - July 26, 2006 07:54 AM (GMT)
I think the championship is seriously missing Yvan Muller. I enjoyed his and Plato's battles as well.

stradlin22 - July 26, 2006 08:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 26 2006, 08:54 AM)
I think the championship is seriously missing Yvan Muller. I enjoyed his and Plato's battles as well.

same here

stradlin22 - July 26, 2006 08:15 AM (GMT)
remember when Matt Neal pushed Antony Reid at silvestone


that was funny

insideline - July 26, 2006 08:54 AM (GMT)
Giovannardi is a multiple champion, but most of those were won on the Italian tracks, where he was brought up

stradlin22 - July 26, 2006 09:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (insideline @ Jul 26 2006, 09:54 AM)
Giovannardi is a multiple champion, but most of those were won on the Italian tracks, where he was brought up

which is what I said before pretty much

insideline - July 26, 2006 09:32 AM (GMT)
Sorry, only half read all of the posts

safc_fan89 - July 26, 2006 09:57 AM (GMT)
I remember Peter Windsor said on ITV's F1 site that the drivers should be able to learn a new track in 6 laps.

Shouldn't that apply to any track? Surely if you are a multiple champion you should be capable of adapting to a new car and track...

stradlin22 - July 26, 2006 09:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 26 2006, 10:57 AM)
I remember Peter Windsor said on ITV's F1 site that the drivers should be able to learn a new track in 6 laps.

Shouldn't that apply to any track? Surely if you are a multiple champion you should be capable of adapting to a new car and track...

maybe

safc_fan89 - July 26, 2006 10:07 AM (GMT)
They *are* professionals, after all...

u4coffee - July 26, 2006 10:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 26 2006, 10:57 AM)
I remember Peter Windsor said on ITV's F1 site that the drivers should be able to learn a new track in 6 laps.

Shouldn't that apply to any track? Surely if you are a multiple champion you should be capable of adapting to a new car and track...

Adapting to a new car could take longer

safc_fan89 - July 26, 2006 10:14 AM (GMT)
He has had 15 races plus testing so far. That should be enough!

u4coffee - July 26, 2006 10:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 26 2006, 11:14 AM)
He has had 15 races plus testing so far. That should be enough!

True

GV Legend - July 26, 2006 10:21 AM (GMT)
maybe he could do a switch with thompson and then there would be a bit more competition in the series!

insideline - July 26, 2006 10:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (u4coffee @ Jul 26 2006, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 26 2006, 11:14 AM)
He has had 15 races plus testing so far. That should be enough!

True

Is he not sitting on the wrong side of the car?

stradlin22 - July 26, 2006 06:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (insideline @ Jul 26 2006, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (u4coffee @ Jul 26 2006, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 26 2006, 11:14 AM)
He has had 15 races plus testing so far. That should be enough!

True

Is he not sitting on the wrong side of the car?

he might well be

perhaps he is trying to change gear in the door

u4coffee - July 27, 2006 08:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (stradlin21 @ Jul 26 2006, 07:16 PM)
QUOTE (insideline @ Jul 26 2006, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (u4coffee @ Jul 26 2006, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 26 2006, 11:14 AM)
He has had 15 races plus testing so far. That should be enough!

True

Is he not sitting on the wrong side of the car?

he might well be

perhaps he is trying to change gear in the door

That might slow him down a bit <yes>

Lex - July 29, 2006 02:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (u4coffee @ Jul 27 2006, 10:54 AM)
QUOTE (stradlin21 @ Jul 26 2006, 07:16 PM)
QUOTE (insideline @ Jul 26 2006, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (u4coffee @ Jul 26 2006, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 26 2006, 11:14 AM)
He has had 15 races plus testing so far. That should be enough!

True

Is he not sitting on the wrong side of the car?

he might well be

perhaps he is trying to change gear in the door

That might slow him down a bit <yes>

when I first moved to Germany I got sick of hitting my left hand on the door when trying to change gear

<blink>

stradlin22 - July 29, 2006 04:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lex @ Jul 29 2006, 03:37 AM)
QUOTE (u4coffee @ Jul 27 2006, 10:54 AM)
QUOTE (stradlin21 @ Jul 26 2006, 07:16 PM)
QUOTE (insideline @ Jul 26 2006, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (u4coffee @ Jul 26 2006, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Jul 26 2006, 11:14 AM)
He has had 15 races plus testing so far. That should be enough!

True

Is he not sitting on the wrong side of the car?

he might well be

perhaps he is trying to change gear in the door

That might slow him down a bit <yes>

when I first moved to Germany I got sick of hitting my left hand on the door when trying to change gear

<blink>

roflmao

Norbert - July 30, 2006 10:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (stradlin21 @ Jul 26 2006, 07:16 PM)
he might well be

perhaps he is trying to change gear in the door

Then give him a Porsche 917 or 956.... lol




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