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wickedwitch - October 19, 2007 09:09 PM (GMT)
I love apples. However, I can't seem to find any ENGLISH apples in the shops. I can find apples from New Zealand, Chile, Argentia and South Africa. Sometimes I can find French or Dutch apples, which is slightly better as they don't get flown half way round the world before I buy them.

My main gripe is that I always wash apples before I eat them, but I can't get rid of that bloody wax stuff that they are alwys covered in and I'm loathe to use washing up liquid on account of that is not really a good idea. <sick>

Does anyone have any advice on where to obtain ENGLISH apples WITHOUT the bloody wax?

flood1 - October 19, 2007 09:12 PM (GMT)
Washington State, USA, Delicious free-range apples have no waxing and they are grain fed.

wickedwitch - October 19, 2007 09:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (flood1 @ Oct 19 2007, 10:12 PM)
Washington State, USA, Delicious free-range apples have no waxing and they are grain fed.

But they are not ENGLISH apples :(

Red Andy - October 19, 2007 10:33 PM (GMT)
I'm going to suggest Waitrose. But really, I have no idea.

The alternative is to find one of those businesses that assembles and delivers boxes of fresh fruit and vegetables to your door on a weekly/fortnightly basis. They tend to have an emphasis on local produce. My mother runs one of those.

Dave Brand - October 20, 2007 02:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wickedwitch @ Oct 19 2007, 09:09 PM)
Does anyone have any advice on where to obtain ENGLISH apples WITHOUT the bloody wax?

Off the tree in our garden!

Steelstallions - October 20, 2007 02:21 PM (GMT)
Which part of the country do you live in WW? I think your somewhere near me, check out the link below.

Try local market places such as in Ilkeston, Ripley or if you feel like a drive the Chatsworth House Shop.......................though buying a tree with ripe apples on it might be cheaper than shopping in the Chatsworth House place.

http://www.information-britain.co.uk/shops.cfm?id=10577




flood1 - October 20, 2007 02:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wickedwitch @ Oct 19 2007, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE (flood1 @ Oct 19 2007, 10:12 PM)
Washington State, USA, Delicious free-range apples have no waxing and they are grain fed.

But they are not ENGLISH apples :(

That's why they are delicious!

Try this drink:

1/3 oz Crown Royal® Canadian whisky
1/3 oz DeKuyper® Sour Apple Pucker schnapps
1/3 oz cranberry juice
1 splash 7-Up® soda



Pour Crown Royal canadian whisky, DeKuyper sour apple pucker and cranberry juice into a cocktail shaker. Shake and strain into a shot glass. Add a splash of 7-Up if desired, and serve.

Steelstallions - October 20, 2007 02:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (flood1 @ Oct 20 2007, 02:27 PM)
QUOTE (wickedwitch @ Oct 19 2007, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE (flood1 @ Oct 19 2007, 10:12 PM)
Washington State, USA, Delicious free-range apples have no waxing and they are grain fed.

But they are not ENGLISH apples :(

That's why they are delicious!

Try this drink:

1/3 oz Crown Royal® Canadian whisky
1/3 oz DeKuyper® Sour Apple Pucker schnapps
1/3 oz cranberry juice
1 splash 7-Up® soda



Pour Crown Royal canadian whisky, DeKuyper sour apple pucker and cranberry juice into a cocktail shaker. Shake and strain into a shot glass. Add a splash of 7-Up if desired, and serve.

So when we all coming round to your place to watch the GP Flood? <thumbsup> <pissed>

flood1 - October 20, 2007 02:36 PM (GMT)
If you catch a plane now, you can be here for tomorrows race!

Steelstallions - October 20, 2007 10:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (flood1 @ Oct 20 2007, 02:36 PM)
If you catch a plane now, you can be here for tomorrows race!

Thanks for the invite, but its little too late to fly out for tommorow <thumbsup>

Norbert - October 20, 2007 10:21 PM (GMT)
Apparently if you momentarily dip the apple in boiling water it causes the wax to shrivel up, and you can scrape/peel it off.....

wickedwitch - October 20, 2007 10:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Steelstallions @ Oct 20 2007, 03:21 PM)
Which part of the country do you live in WW? I think your somewhere near me, check out the link below.

Try local market places such as in Ilkeston, Ripley or if you feel like a drive the Chatsworth House Shop.......................though buying a tree with ripe apples on it might be cheaper than shopping in the Chatsworth House place.

http://www.information-britain.co.uk/shops.cfm?id=10577

I live in Burton.

We have a good farm shop at Curborough near Lichfield. I buy all my decent meat at Peter Coates at Alrewas - he has his own abbatoir so we know it's local produce.

Sadly I can't find apples that are not covered in wax, other than the ones on the tree further down the hill. :(

wickedwitch - October 20, 2007 10:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Norbert @ Oct 20 2007, 11:21 PM)
Apparently if you momentarily dip the apple in boiling water it causes the wax to shrivel up, and you can scrape/peel it off.....

do you have a link for this?

Steelstallions - October 20, 2007 10:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wickedwitch @ Oct 20 2007, 10:26 PM)
QUOTE (Steelstallions @ Oct 20 2007, 03:21 PM)
Which part of the country do you live in WW? I think your somewhere near me, check out the link below.

Try local market places such as in Ilkeston, Ripley or if you feel like a drive the Chatsworth House Shop.......................though buying a tree with ripe apples on it might be cheaper than shopping in the Chatsworth House place.

http://www.information-britain.co.uk/shops.cfm?id=10577

I live in Burton.

We have a good farm shop at Curborough near Lichfield. I buy all my decent meat at Peter Coates at Alrewas - he has his own abbatoir so we know it's local produce.

Sadly I can't find apples that are not covered in wax, other than the ones on the tree further down the hill. :(

Did you check out the link WW?


safc_fan89 - October 21, 2007 09:51 AM (GMT)
I don't understand. I have never seen an apple with 'wax' on it.

Steelstallions - October 21, 2007 09:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Oct 21 2007, 09:51 AM)
I don't understand. I have never seen an apple with 'wax' on it.

Not sure if you are trying to wind up WW, but all shiny apples at the supermarket especially the red ones have a very thin layer of wax.
Apples are coated with shellac and carnauba wax to improve their shine because consumers prefer to buy shiny apples and more importantly for supermarkets it extends the shelf life of the apples.
Put an apple in cold water for a few minutes and the apple goes a whitish color, thats the wax reacting to the cold water

http://www.usapple.org/consumers/wax.cfm

QUOTE
Apples and Wax
If you walked out into an orchard, picked an apple from the tree and rubbed that apple on your shirt, you would notice that it shined – you've just polished the natural wax that an apple produces to protect its high water content. Without wax, fruits and vegetables like apples would lose their vital crispness and moisture through normal respiration and transpiration – eventually leaving them soft and dry (yuck!).

After harvest, apples are washed and brushed to remove leaves and field dirt before they are packed in cartons for shipping to your local market. This cleaning process removes the fruit's original wax coating, so to protect the fruit many apple packers will re-apply a commercial grade wax. One pound of wax may cover as many as 160,000 pieces of fruit; perhaps two drops is the most wax covering each apple.

Waxes have been used on fruits and vegetables since the 1920s. They are all made from natural ingredients, and are certified by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to be safe to eat. They come from natural sources including carnauba wax, from the leaves of a Brazilian palm; candellia wax, derived from reed-like desert plants of the genus Euphorbia; and food-grade shellac, which comes from a secretion of the lac bug found in India and Pakistan. These waxes are also approved for use as food additives for candy and pastries. (Now you know why your chocolate bars melt in your mouth but not in your hand…)

The commercial waxes do not easily wash off because they adhere to any natural wax remaining on the fruit after cleaning. Waxed produce can be scrubbed with a vegetable brush briefly in lukewarm water and rinsed before eating to remove wax and surface dirt. (Using detergents on porous foods like apples is not recommended!)

safc_fan89 - October 21, 2007 10:06 AM (GMT)
Oh right :P No I wasn't, I just didn't understand. I eat the apples regardless, in that case.

Steelstallions - October 21, 2007 10:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Oct 21 2007, 10:06 AM)
Oh right :P No I wasn't, I just didn't understand. I eat the apples regardless, in that case.

One of the reasons why some consumers do not like the wax, is because it seals in anything that was sprayed on, or came into contact with with the apple.
You have to trust the apples were cleaned properly to remove pesticides and other airborne dirt that the apples came into contact with before this wax sealing took place. More so as its very difficult to get the wax off the apple.

Safest bet is to just peel apples before eating them if anyone is worried. <thumbsup>

Thats before it gets irradiated to extend its shelf life like most other fresh food

http://www.food.gov.uk/safereating/rad_in_food/irradfoodqa/

QUOTE


Food irradiation is a processing technique that exposes food to electron beams, X-rays or gamma rays, and produces a similar effect to pasteurisation, cooking or other forms of heat treatment, but with less effect on look and texture.

Irradiation can be used to kill bacteria that cause food poisoning, such as salmonella, campylobacter and E. coli. It can also delay fruit ripening and help stop vegetables such as potatoes and onions from sprouting. It is used in many parts of the world because it is an effective way of killing bacteria and with some food, such as spices that are dried in the sun, irradiation kills bacteria without changing their flavours or aromas.

wickedwitch - October 21, 2007 03:29 PM (GMT)
Maybe I'll think about buying an apple tree

Norbert - October 22, 2007 01:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wickedwitch @ Oct 20 2007, 11:27 PM)
QUOTE (Norbert @ Oct 20 2007, 11:21 PM)
Apparently if you momentarily dip the apple in boiling water it causes the wax to shrivel up, and you can scrape/peel it off.....

do you have a link for this?

No, because it's supposedly common knowledge!

<roflmao>

wickedwitch - October 22, 2007 08:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Norbert @ Oct 22 2007, 02:51 PM)
QUOTE (wickedwitch @ Oct 20 2007, 11:27 PM)
QUOTE (Norbert @ Oct 20 2007, 11:21 PM)
Apparently if you momentarily dip the apple in boiling water it causes the wax to shrivel up, and you can scrape/peel it off.....

do you have a link for this?

No, because it's supposedly common knowledge!

<roflmao>

Not round here it ain't! <smartarse>

Norbert - October 22, 2007 08:53 PM (GMT)
That much is obvious!

safc_fan89 - October 22, 2007 09:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Steelstallions @ Oct 21 2007, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Oct 21 2007, 10:06 AM)
Oh right :P No I wasn't, I just didn't understand. I eat the apples regardless, in that case.

One of the reasons why some consumers do not like the wax, is because it seals in anything that was sprayed on, or came into contact with with the apple.
You have to trust the apples were cleaned properly to remove pesticides and other airborne dirt that the apples came into contact with before this wax sealing took place. More so as its very difficult to get the wax off the apple.

Safest bet is to just peel apples before eating them if anyone is worried. <thumbsup>

Thats before it gets irradiated to extend its shelf life like most other fresh food

http://www.food.gov.uk/safereating/rad_in_food/irradfoodqa/

QUOTE


Food irradiation is a processing technique that exposes food to electron beams, X-rays or gamma rays, and produces a similar effect to pasteurisation, cooking or other forms of heat treatment, but with less effect on look and texture.

Irradiation can be used to kill bacteria that cause food poisoning, such as salmonella, campylobacter and E. coli. It can also delay fruit ripening and help stop vegetables such as potatoes and onions from sprouting. It is used in many parts of the world because it is an effective way of killing bacteria and with some food, such as spices that are dried in the sun, irradiation kills bacteria without changing their flavours or aromas.

Well, I eat lots of apples and I don't think I have been harmed as a result of not peeling them or anything. I do wash them before eating, and cut out any nasty bits :)

I can't say I have ever given the shine of an apple any thought! But I have now :D

safc_fan89 - October 22, 2007 09:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wickedwitch @ Oct 21 2007, 04:29 PM)
Maybe I'll think about buying an apple tree

Or better still, just nick apples off someone else's tree <roflmao>

wickedwitch - October 22, 2007 09:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Oct 22 2007, 10:33 PM)
QUOTE (wickedwitch @ Oct 21 2007, 04:29 PM)
Maybe I'll think about buying an apple tree

Or better still, just nick apples off someone else's tree <roflmao>

I'm a bit old for that kind of thing <roflmao>

safc_fan89 - October 22, 2007 10:02 PM (GMT)
Get someone else to do it for you :)

wickedwitch - October 23, 2007 09:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Oct 22 2007, 11:02 PM)
Get someone else to do it for you :)

Good idea - I have the ideal candidates too - the chavs three doors up the road! <roflmao>

safc_fan89 - October 23, 2007 09:30 PM (GMT)
They'd be too busy nicking 10p worth of sweets from the local cornershop and thinking they are 'rock solid' because of it.

Red Andy - October 23, 2007 09:32 PM (GMT)
If I didn't know better I'd say you knew too much about that sort of thing....

wickedwitch - October 23, 2007 10:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Red Andy @ Oct 23 2007, 10:32 PM)
If I didn't know better I'd say you knew too much about that sort of thing....

In that case perhaps Chris could pop down and nick the very nice looking apples off the tree further down the road? <roflmao>

safc_fan89 - October 24, 2007 04:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Red Andy @ Oct 23 2007, 10:32 PM)
If I didn't know better I'd say you knew too much about that sort of thing....

I live in the north east. You don't have to look far to see some things happening...




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