Title: The most improved team of the year award
dcoulthard19 - October 23, 2007 07:45 PM (GMT)
Make your choices and discuss them :)
ELUSIVEJIM - October 23, 2007 08:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (dcoulthard19 @ Oct 23 2007, 07:45 PM) |
| Make your choices and discuss them :) |
Would have to say Mclaren as you would have thought it would take a few seasons after 2005-2006 for them to challenge Ferrari and Renault
Red Andy - October 23, 2007 08:40 PM (GMT)
Has to be BMW Sauber. The leaps forward they have made in each of the past two years have been nothing short of astounding.
I wonder what Frank Williams thinks of all that success?
safc_fan89 - October 24, 2007 07:38 AM (GMT)
Williams plan to be at least level with BMW next season, so not much I would have thought. Williams have won races before ;)
John - October 24, 2007 08:08 AM (GMT)
I voted BMW.Sauber... naturally you may say but not unjustified I think...
However if the season had been 20 races long other teams like Williams and Red Bull would have close up...
I as a BMW fan am more than pleased with their season...(3rd is better than they hoped for) I said at the start of the season I would be surprised if they had a win and sadly they didn't...
I am more concerned that after a promising first half they never closed the gap to the top two and so will need something special next season...
I was also a bit cheesed off at BMW letting Vettel and Glock go... I just hope Vettel is on a long lease.
RJHSaints - October 24, 2007 04:31 PM (GMT)
BMW are my choice, but Williams did a pretty good job too, compared to where they were last year.
Red Andy - October 24, 2007 06:03 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Oct 24 2007, 07:38 AM) |
| Williams plan to be at least level with BMW next season, so not much I would have thought. Williams have won races before ;) |
Not since BMW left, they haven't. ;)
Telling BMW to sod off was the biggest mistake of Frank's tenure at the team. And this is the guy who fired Mansell...
John - October 24, 2007 06:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Red Andy @ Oct 24 2007, 07:03 PM) |
| QUOTE | Williams have won races before
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Not since BMW left, they haven't
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But then again... neither has BMW <cry>
Paul_Murtagh - October 24, 2007 06:28 PM (GMT)
I would go for BMW Sauber over Williams. They managed to make a huge step in performance and unlike Williams both their drivers performed well over the whole season. But I don't want to take anything away from Williams they improved alot this season
Rob - October 25, 2007 06:29 PM (GMT)
Super Aguri, from nothing to near joke to points scoring, to passing a McLaren in less than 2 years.
DavidColthard II - October 25, 2007 06:34 PM (GMT)
Mclaren even although they did use ferrari's info they still used it to good effect and produced a great car which was unbelievably reliable the complete opposite of the MP4-21
safc_fan89 - October 27, 2007 09:54 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Red Andy @ Oct 24 2007, 07:03 PM) |
| QUOTE (safc_fan89 @ Oct 24 2007, 07:38 AM) | | Williams plan to be at least level with BMW next season, so not much I would have thought. Williams have won races before ;) |
Not since BMW left, they haven't. ;)
Telling BMW to sod off was the biggest mistake of Frank's tenure at the team. And this is the guy who fired Mansell...
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I disagree. I doubt Williams would exist as Williams now if BMW were still there. I think it's good that someone actually stands up to the manufacturers. And you don't like manufacturers being in F1...
Red Andy - October 28, 2007 05:01 PM (GMT)
Indeed I do not, but I think that you have to be realistic about it. Frank doesn't stand a chance of competing with the manufacturers unless he forms a close bond with one, especially if the rules outlined in the "Framework for Discussion" for 2011 come into force. That was a bond he could have developed with BMW but chose not to.
BMW's offer was to help with chassis development, nothing more. I think they would eventually have taken the team over entirely, but probably not until after Frank had retired. I don't think we would have seen a sudden transition of power as we did when BMW bought out Sauber. It would have been a gradual process like BAR and Honda.
pedal power - October 29, 2007 03:47 PM (GMT)
Williams closely followed by Super Aguri